PS4 Pro and slimmer, lighter PS4 revealed

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PS4 Pro and slimmer, lighter PS4 revealed

PS4 Pro offers latest in imaging tech through 4K resolution and High Dynamic Range HDR

More than three and a half years ago, I stood on stage in New York to unveil PlayStation 4, which captured our vision for the future of gaming. That vision placed the gamer at the centre of the PlayStation ecosystem and empowered developers to create transformative experiences.

This afternoon I returned to New York for another PlayStation Meeting to discuss the evolution of the PlayStation 4 platform and introduce PS4 Pro. This new high-end PS4 will sit alongside the new slimmer, lighter PS4, which we officially unveiled today.

The new standard PS4 is starting to ship to retailers now and will be available by 16th September for a suggested retail price of €299.99, representing great value for gamers who haven’t joined the PS4 community just yet.

PS4 Pro

Our engineering and design teams collaborated to consolidate PS4’s high-performance technology into a smaller, more energy efficient form factor. When comparing the new PS4 model to the current model, we’ve reduced volume by 30 percent, weight by 16 percent, and power consumption by 28 percent. Despite the sleek design, the new model packs all of the same powerful components that have made PS4 the best place to play.

With PlayStation 4 Pro our goal is to deliver innovation in the form of cutting-edge visuals and graphics while in the midst of the PS4’s lifecycle. PS4 Pro, which launches 10th November, 2016, for a suggested retail price of €399.99, enhances PS4 games by supporting the latest in imaging technology through 4K resolution and High Dynamic Range (HDR), as well as smoother frame rates. Games that already look extraordinary on PS4 will look richer and more detailed, thanks to the more powerful GPU and faster CPU at the heart of PS4 Pro.

With more pixels, 4K’s higher resolution delivers graphics that are sharper and have greater detail than ever imagined. HDR enables visuals to look much closer to the way your eyes see the real world.

Some developers are updating previously launched PS4 games to add PS4 Pro support, while other developers are building PS4 Pro support into upcoming releases. At launch, you’ll be able to download patches for games – such as Uncharted 4 – which are enhanced when playing on the new console. Future releases that will have PS4 Pro enhancements built-in include Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Mass Effect: Andromeda and Days Gone.

However, even if you own an HDTV that does not support either 4K or HDR, PS4 Pro still provides a number of benefits. All games will run in 1080p resolution, and some will even run in a higher or more stable framerate. If you’re a gamer that wants to be at the forefront of innovation, PS4 Pro is for you.

PS4 Pro

We also know a lot of our fans watch movies, TV shows, and videos on their PS4, so we’re working with our partners who offer best-in-class streaming services to build new apps for PS4 Pro. Netflix will launch a new app at the launch of PS4 Pro that supports 4K. YouTube is also developing a new 4K-compatible app for PS4 Pro.

But it’s important to note that the choice is yours. Whether you’re playing on PS4 Pro, the new slimmer and lighter PS4, or the PS4 system you bought at launch in 2013, you’ll have access to the same amazing games with the same features and same vibrant community that make PlayStation the best place to play.

There won’t be any gameplay features exclusive to PS4 Pro or the standard PS4. In fact, we believe the impact of HDR on gaming and entertainment is so promising that all PlayStation 4 systems – back to the very first console sold in 2013 – are now HDR capable.

It is incredibly important for us, and our developer partners, to maintain one PS4 audience. All PS4 systems are also ready to deliver on the promise of virtual reality with the upcoming launch of PlayStation VR. Whichever system you choose, we’ll continue to give you the exclusive franchises, blockbuster third-party titles, and unique games from creative developers that you’ve come to expect from PlayStation.

I want to take a moment to thank everyone in the PlayStation Nation for the incredibly passionate support around PS4. From day one with PS4, we’ve been driven to create a system tuned to the needs of gamers. PS4 Pro builds on that goal even further, and we can’t wait for you to try it.

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  • Why is the light bar visible on the Dualshock 4 trackpad now?

    • It’s so you can see it the light bars status while gaming.

    • Also read it functions as a replacement for the on console light bar, which seems to be removed from the “slim” version.

    • No, it does not replace the lightbar. Instead of the Console lightbar there is light around the operation button of the slim.
      That is actually the light from the controller’s lightbar, because sometimes you just need to see the light while gaming and this in front of you eyes.
      Another clue that this does not replace the console’s lightbar is that there is not a second LED on the touchpad. It is just transparent there so you can see the big lightbar’s light…

    • In the current situation there is hardly non, to no reason to look at the color of the controller’s light on the back (for the games I’ve played). That in combination with that it’s officially announced that there will be more features using this light bar will come available tells me that it’s not simply a “window” to the backend light. Don’t forget VR will use the lights on the back to track you’re location (like it does with the motion controllers). Therefore it makes sense to have a second colored light for the original and extra functionalities, preferable one you can always see.

  • Hmmmm, not sold on the Pro tbh

  • The pro looks like a BigMac

  • Does it support UHD Blu ray?

  • The lack of UHD Bluray drive is a big oversight in the Pro.

    I am still getting one but I don’t plan on getting into 4K for a good while yet.

    • Not really – it’s a games machine first and foremost. A 4k drive doesn’t assist in gaming. It would have been nice to get one, but then you could add at least another €150 on the price.

    • They have been pushing 4K gaming, 4K Netflix, 4K YouTube you would think 4K Bluray would be obvious.

    • But then you wouldn’t need to by the latest Sony uhd Blu Ray player :p plus it would increase the price point and they want to sell as many ps4 consoles as possible.

    • Netflix and Redbox don’t rent them and the sales numbers show that people aren’t willing to spend the extra money to own them,but everyone is streaming at 4K.

    • And people with poor bandwidth living in villages are stuck, as you need a good 15meg to stream a film. And for the record, if it had been £500 for the ps pro with a UHD player, I’d have upgraded

    • @frodouk
      It’s not about being able to play movies. At least not only.

      Not putting Ultra HD BluRay create big limitation for games. Normal BluRay can give you only max 1080p/60 fps. Not to mention uhd bluray has bigger storage room.

      Games will be capped by limitation of putting only BluRay.

    • If games are limited to 1080p/60 on current Blu Ray – explain how Hozizon, Call of Duty, Mass Effect are getting higher resolutions than that?

      Don’t talk nonsense.

    • @ frodouk “4K” on PS4 Pro will very likely be an upscaled image with lots of post processing to make it looks as good as it possibly can be, similar to the Xbox One S & unlike Project Scorpio which has a UHD Blu Ray drive which should allow for true 4K gaming (key word being should).

      UNLESS the digital versions have all the info to allow true 4K, if they do great Sony screwed over all Pro users that like retail versions.

      They’ve dropped the ball, really as simple as that.

    • Dropped the ball how?? The Pro is a direct answer to what the market is demanding… a games console that can do 4k (native or upscaled, the results are impressive, go read Digital Foundry write up). Having a drive that can play movies is of no use when we are talking games. It would be slow, clunky (you do remember the PS3, right) and just not right for gaming.

      People pinning their arguments on a console that hasn’t even been seen in the wild is comical.

    • Lucreto : A UHD drive would have been a good addition but as frodouk said, would have pushed the cost up and they don’t want to seem expensive vs Xbox One S. If the stats show the format isn’t taking off then fair enough. I’d have liked Sony to try and push the format like they did with dvd and bluray given they have a vested interest in it taking off.

      The DF piece on the upscaling tech is interesting. If more details come out they should be a good read.

      I’m really replying to some of the others though because you hurt my brain with your nonsense. The drive has no bearing on being able to play games at any resolution or framerate. The drive delivers data and textures, its the cpu/gpu chips that put it on screen. If it cant make 60fps it’s because the designers chose to put more on screen than the hardware can handle – you can spin a cube on screen at a million fps at a ridiculous resolution but that’s not a good game. If it’s not 1080p or 4k or whatever then same compromise was decided upon of how to use the power available. The xbox one s/scorpio won’t be any better at 4k gaming than pro due to the drive (scorpio will be more powerful so will be naturally better at it but not cos of the drive).

  • Releasing a new console with the main emphasis on 4k without an Ultra HD Blu-ray drive is an epic fail! (Even the X Box One S has one.) Sorry Sony, no buy for me!

    • Xbox one is a media system which can be used for gaming, as they presented it when it came out. PS4 is for the gamers, as written above the addition of a UHD drive doesn’t contribute on a better gaming experience. We live in a digital world where streaming and downloads become more common. I honestly don’t understand why so many people are complaining about it, give me extra storage, that is the thing I’m missing in my PS4. 4K content will be more than enough on the online platforms :)

    • A 1TB Hard Drive is not going todrastically improve how many games you can play. The Xbox One Slim has up to 2TB Hard Drive. I think both platforms need to have a minimum of 4TB Hard Drive and you only get any benefit from the consoles with 4k tvs.

    • Sony don’t use blue ray cause Sony are clever to make there own system that can run discs at top quality and btw Oz it’s a 1 TB hardrive cause think how expensive the console would be if it came with 4TB we are talking about £700 so they have put a 1 TB in for profit and then you can put your own bigger one in
      I got the normal ps4 with 500GB but it currently has 4TB so I’m just gonna do the same with the pro

  • Will the gameplay recording still be limited to 720p 30fps on PS4 Pro?

    • new update lets you capture 1 hour of in game footage and i dont know if its 60 fps or not but the new update lets us stream in 60fps and thats on regular ps4,i say depending on the game its might go up to 1080p 60fps on ps4 pro with better gpu and all

  • Lack of 4k Blu-Ray support. No framerate increase. Weaker than the Xbox One Scorpio.

    • What? You know the spec of the Scorpio? If the leaks are true, and I doubt it, the cost will be well in excess of £500. Yes the Pro lacks 4k Blu Ray playback but it does increase the framerate in games – can you not read?

    • Who gives a damn about Scorpio, it release 1 year after Ps4 Pro. Thats a lifetime, nobody will care.

    • Yea.. that marketing was so odd. :)

      When Microsoft announced the Scorpio as the most “powerful console ever”, at a time when the existing PS4 already was that by quite some distance. And now then, there will be an even more powerful PS4 nearly a year ahead of this future beast Xbox.

      I guess this beastie is the hi-definition of a “paper tiger” though. ;)

  • 4k Blu-Ray? If not i will pass.

  • Am happy with the pro. I will be getting one at launch and PS VR early 2017. Am a little annoyed about no 4K blu-ray. But 1080p and possible higher FPS for older and up coming games? That is fine by me and only for £350.

    The PS4 slim is also good value as well. But I think it it should of been £199 or at very least £229.

  • I don’t understand why you couldn’t have included a UHD drive. Such an obvious thing to include in a console geared towards 4K.
    And 310W!? How loud and hot is this thing going to be? I quickly went from ‘day 1’ to ‘wait and see’ after that presentation today.

  • Really disappointed with no 4k blu ray player. Looks like I’m getting the xbox one s really didn’t want to.

    • The Xbox One S is nothing more than a 4k player though – it’s specs as a games machine are pretty poor.

    • I bought the xbox one s 2TB, the UHD playback is great, it’s nice to have the option of playing exclusives on another console, i wouldn’t have bothered buying it just for hdr as I already had an xbox one, although it may have a weaker spec, it doesn’t mean the games are bad, the OS is light years ahead of the ps4’s. I bought it because there was no mention of a UHD drive with any news or leaks leading upto the neo announcement and it has now been confirmed. Had Neo/ps4 pro had UHD drive I would not have bought the xbox one s, as for the ps4 pro, no point buying a stand alone UHD player and a console and then expecting people to shell out 400 euro for VR, I’ll keep my money and stick with my original ps4.

  • That is one ugly PS4 Pro, the original PS4 looks much better :).
    And the PlayStation Meeting was boring, i still don’t understand why i should buy it if a don’t have a 4K TV.
    Mabey i’m just to stupid to understand :P

    • Maybe read the blog lol. Here ill help you out a little.

      “However, even if you own an HDTV that does not support either 4K or HDR, PS4 Pro still provides a number of benefits. All games will run in 1080p resolution, and some will even run in a higher or more stable framerate. If you’re a gamer that wants to be at the forefront of innovation, PS4 Pro is for you”

      So if you buy a PS4 Pro. All future and some older PS4 titles will be patched. So they will run at a higher resolution on the PS4 and maybe run at a higher FPS.

      For example Bloodborne on the current PS4 is 1080p 60FPS. On the PS4 Pro Sony might patch it to run 1080p 60FPS.

    • Unfortunately Bloodborne currently runs at 30fps on normal PS4.

      If PS4 Pro makes that and all my other current games upto 60fps then I’ll buy one.

    • I saw it, but how can the resolution be higher then 1080p on a HDTV, and the words “and some will even run in a higher or more stable framerate” that does not make me want to spend another 399€.
      He is saying that maybe some developers will make use of this.

      anyway thanks for the reply :)

    • You said it pal ‘To stupid’ lol

  • Hi, who is looking forward to ARK being released on PS4?

  • Will ps4 pro and ps4 players be allowed to play together ?

  • 1 question can i upgrade the hard drive???

    • No mention yet, but everything Sony release (playstation) has had this feature. No reason at all to think it won’t be on the Pro

    • With the larger girth of the PS4 Pro , hopefully we’ll be able to use 3.5 inch drives.
      Larger sizes, faster speeds and cheaper prices.

    • That just wont happen.

      Even though a 3.5 be cheaper to buy for the consumer than a 2.5, they are more expensive as a part.

      They would also make efficient case design harder, and put quite a bit more strain on the overall thermal design.

      Maybe external support will be added instead. Apparently there is a USB on the back this time. But if not, there will probably be adapters/cases extensions for external 3.5 drives, just like for the current model.

  • I really do think it should have a UHD Blu ray in it but will still be buying purely for the extra horsepower

  • Is ps4 pro going to run ps4 games?

  • Big ! Big dissapointment concerning the lack of uhd bluray player.

  • is the power and eject button mechanical? because I hated the touch sensitive on the original PS4, because it would sometimes eject my game discs randomly

  • Ordered Pro – £349.00 at Amazon.

  • Pros : 1)Sony know how to make a good conferance without boring the audience less talk more gameplay
    2) Horizon Zero Dawn In every new gameplay video this game looks amazing
    3) Days gone i thing most of the time i burn those creatures at night amzing game too
    4) HDR in all ps4 without buy new model You know how to troll Sony!! I want to see a video with Guy with already ps4 on the room saying Hey i want HDR …..and the other guy stand up and give him his ps4
    5)PS4 PRO price

    COS:1) Ps4 slim price
    2)Nothing say about INCREASING THE FPS

    Questions: PS4 PRO will be work with old HD tv’s? You say here we also ps4 pro increse the FPS how much? is possible if developers want they make the older and new games 60 FPS? standar? why on metting don’t say anything about that? people care you know for FPS

    It will be PS4PRO Bundle with Pro evoloution 17? And name it the ultimate PRO Bundle :)

    Is PS4PRO a two PS4 SLIM’s on top of each other :) looks like need it the second floor for extra air cooler :)

    • Simply having the extra strength should make games run smother, without any new adaptive code. Like say Bloodborne is a 30fps game that on many occasions drags downwards 20. With extra headroom it may consistently run the intended 30 at least.

      That is if the base design is so similar it doesn’t need to perfectly emulate the old PS4 for such games, with artificial limiters and all. But the would be very weird.

    • The reason they aren’t explicit about this is that it’s up to the developers what to do with the extra power. This was mentioned in the presentation. They can use it into higher frame-rate and more detail, maybe even little bit of both. So yes, there is a good reason to buy the pro if you don’t have a 4k TV (yet). Apart from what Andrea said about the frame drops, I think the other improvements require patches to let them make full use of the power of the pro. But if you see that title like Infamous First Light get patches, even though it’s a Sony title, it’s rather old.

  • Apparently UHD Blu-Rays are dead, when even Sony doesn’t want to include support for it. Not a big surprise, though

    • I agree, I think most people who rebought their dvd collection on Bluray aren’t going to do so again, especially when the future is 4k streaming (if you’re lucky enough to have broadband that can do it).
      Probably keeps the price down by £50.

    • The uptake of UHD bluray is 4 times the rate of when the original bluray was introduced, it is far from dead, the format was only introduced this year.

  • It’s look alright to me
    Aleast we would have a better CPU

  • I see the fine tradition of having the original model remain the best looking one is still alive and well here.

  • When and where can I order one?

    • Ordered a PS4 pro now can’t wait :) would be nice if you could support external hdd game installs, as I’ve not got enough space for everything on my 2TB drive at the moment and there’s so many good games coming out in the next 6 months!

  • Man what the heck were Sony thinking.

    There are news stories on the internet right now about Xbox One S being the cheapest available 4K blu ray player and about the PlayStation4 Pro NOT being a 4K blu ray player at all.

    Sony part owns the Blu-ray format. Are you kidding me.

    Those ultra HD blu-rays you’ve seen at Best Buy for the last year will not play on any Playstation for the foreseeable future.

    No doubt the Scorpio will be a 4K blu-ray player as well, and have better specs than any PlayStation offering.


    Where’s the reasons to buy the new system when you aren’t including the latest advancements.

    4K TVs are becoming a thing, 4K blu rays have been sold at places like Best Buy for a long time now.

    I want you to sell it to me, but you’re not because you didn’t gosh darn include it!!!!

    • I’m fully with you. Death of the PlayStation to people with 4K TVs, might aswell go for the Xbox. Even though it pains me to say it, as I’ve been a ps fan since the original ps1

    • Given that Sony are directly involved in 4K blu-ray and microsoft are not, perhaps Sony knows more about the future of 4K blu-ray and therefore doesn’t think it’s worth including given the growth of streaming services. Personally, I like to own discs rather than just download, but the world moves on.

    • Sony doesnt know anything at all. All they probably wanted is to avoid castration sales of their overpriced standalone uhd blu ray players by the PS4. In they end this decision probably will cost them more money than they will ever earn by selling the blu ray players standalone and it might kill off the format entirely in its early stages.

  • @sony where is the download please so i can check the HDR out on my tv

  • I am still getting the PRO. 4K, HDR and more powerful graphics hardware they got me for sure!

  • That Blue light :P :P :P

  • Are we getting a new PS Camera? The promo shots of all the hardware (slim, pro and VR) has a different camera to the original. Is this just a redesign to match the new designs, or is it completely different with different spec?

  • “some will even run in a higher or more stable framerate.”

    Like many others, I don’t own a 4k HDR TV, and that quote is pretty much the only thing that could make me buy PS4 Pro. I’d need a list or more details about which games, which run 30 fps on PS4, would run stable 60 fps on Pro.

    • As it stands at this moment, no game will have an increased FPS. The wording is very clever in saying a “More Stable framerate” and not an improved one.

      There’s more processing power so if a game is 30FPS but drops to 20 in a cut scene, the jittering will probably go away but unless developers patch in an unlocked FPS, a 30FPS game will stay a 30FPS game.

    • I don’t think the quote “some will even run in a higher or more stable framerate.” would necessarily mean that it’ll be at exact 60fps though. And that disappoints me, and pushing me away from buying this.

    • I think the only real confirmed one is the new Tomb Raider. You will have 3 options (“4k”, graphics priority of framerate priority) and one them being you can go for a higher framerate. But they also said it would be more “north of 45fps” for Tomb Raider.

  • I have to admit that I’m really disappointed with the lack of a UHD drive. I’ll probably still buy the pro for the 4k gaming but then again I’ll probably be buying a One S since it’s cheaper than any standalone UHD blu ray players. You’ve kind of driven me to your competitor here Sony.

  • Will the Pro run Bloodborne at 60 FPS, that is literally the only thing I care about.

    • Definitely, no. It’s a multiplayer game, and for multiplayer games, frame rate advantages are prohibited from Sony to ensure fair play.

  • Thank you Sony, I know where to spend my £400 I’d saved over the last few months!

    It will go on a uhd player. I was hoping that you would have put one in this high tech 4K machine, but no. What good is a app that will stream 4K media when my smart 4K tv will do that anyway with my 50 meg broadband.

    I think you have shot yourself in the foot with the current ps4 owners with the view to upgrade. It should have been all singing and all dancing with UHD drive, even if it would have cost more.

    At least the new Xbox will look as though it will play UHD disks…I guess, I’m gonna drop Sony, now after all these years I’ve purchased since a ps1.

    Very very disappointed

  • Only if the devs go back and patch it, which isn’t a guarantee on all games.

    • Indeed. And I read that they are charging developers for the patches, depending on which license they have. So developers won’t patch it if they don’t get extra revenue out of it.
      Sony should let developers patch games to match the Pro for free.

  • PlayStation Pro is obsolete before it even comes out, without any UHD drive

  • I can get by without hdr. No biggie.i was ready to buy a ps4 on launch however sony has made a fatal mistake in not incorporating a 4k blu ray into this xbox seems to better poised to take on the next gen of gamers. I hope you havent started production yet sony and can add in a 4k blu ray player without it ill be saving 399.00 and you will make nothing sony.

  • Am disappointed with the space, 1TB is rubbish, my current PS4 has 2TB which is already full. 4K games would no doubt take up a lot more space, 1TB is not good enough, Sony press conference was so so, lack of details or information, so many questions. Will there be more than just the 1TB model, is the drive upgradable or not? are games run at native 4K, or is it upscaled to 4K?

    • There will be 2TB version in future for sure, don’t expect it now, though. Yes, you can replace hard drive. Depends on the game, demanding (read AAA) titles will be upscaled through clever algorithms directly supported by the new GPU and APIs. Generally, it will look a bit muddier than native 4K, but much-much better compared to 1080p.

  • I am perhaps one of the few who would rather buy the slim over the pro if i needed to in the future. The reason being is my current ps4 gets loud and generates heat on some games as it is, I dont want to buy a bigger console that generates even more heat.
    The slim on the other hand if lowered to £199 might make me consider trading in my current one for it being quieter/cooler alone.

    • That’s exactly my plan too – there’s too little benefits for me coming from PS4Pro (I don’t care about 4K or HDR, dudes, I’m from POLAND:D) to buy it and since the power consumption reaches 310W in this model I don’t expect it to be quiet. As soon as Slim is released I’m buying it, testing it for a week with most demanding titles (Witcher 3, Doom and Uncharted 4 for that matter) and if it stays quiet I’m selling my PS4 which is driving me crazy with this jet sound. Honestly, for now it’s 30 degrees in my town and playing the console in small room is nightmare.

  • Curious. All those upset about lack of uhd player, how many discs do u all have or were intending to buy? I personally haven’t had a disc of any kind since ps3. I stream or download everything so a disc drive is a little redundant in my opinion.

    • When I have a UHD player, all the new films I buy would be in 4K. I just upgraded to sky q for the 4K football and movies.
      We as a family, don’t go out to party etc, so films on a disc are important if you in a bad bandwidth area.

      And the ps store is way over priced

    • I like to buy my games and films on bluray disc, I have over 200 films on bluray and 6 on UHD bluray, 40+ games on disc, the ps store is a rip off most of the time and i don’t fancy buying games from sites that sell you an account. Also your online collection of games can be taken away by sony if your account is banned, yes it happens if your credit card company takes money back from sony, discs do not have these drawbacks and can be bought 2nd hand for less and traded in. Recently I dusted of a copy of return to castle wolfenstein from the original xbox and could play it on my x360 and possibly on xbox one in the future, thats the beauty of discs. Streaming is mediocre at best concerning quality compared to UHD bluray and HD bluray discs, streamed UHD is barely a match for HD bluray.

  • Can anyone from Sony clarify if the old PS4 or new PS4 can play 4K media from Netflix or Youtube?
    And the Pro, does it upscale games when they aren’t patch by the developers? What version of HDMI is the Pro using. I’ve been looking all over and getting mixed answers about my questions, could you please clarify, thanks :)
    Personally I don’t see the big fuzz about the UHD blu-ray drive, we live in a digitale world people, we stream and download. Rather had 5TB SSD/HDD combo inside as a UHD drive, but that is unreasonable for this amount of money.

    • It did say about the app to stream 4K content from Netflix

      But you still need a UHD drive. As if you have a bandwidth less than 15 meg, it will never be a fluid view. And I believe that the disks come with Dolby atmos, they didn’t say if the ps pro supported that sound output!

    • @Sparky The original PlayStation 4 already supports Dolby Atmos, so I don’t see a reason why the PS4 Pro won’t support it.

      @Warrior_Yoshino Blu-ray quality (especially UHD/4K) is still a different league compared to Netflix and YouTube 4K. You still get more compression with the digital sources compared to a Blu-ray disc. And sadly I have to agree with Sparky that most digital sources don’t support the latest audio-formats (like Dolby Atmos or DTS X).

    • Well, if you wanted a media system, you choose the wrong platform in my opinion. Xbox one was launched as the mediacenter for your living room, with the possibility to play games. PlayStation set it’s road to be the best gameconsole, with the extra features of media playback. To bring out youtube and netflix 4K apps is a no brainer for Sony, it won’t cost them any effort and the system has the capabilities. Not choosing for a UHD drive makes its possible to put more money in the processing units, which is way more important for gaming in my opinion than the media features everybody is complaining about which its “missing”. There is a reason it is “PlayStation, for the Gamers”, not “PlayStation, Netflix and Chill like it has never been before”

  • ….yes there’s no doubt we’d like to have seen a UHD player in there, but it isn’t and shouldn’t be a deal breaker…
    …I would like to know if you can record in 1080p…
    …and as a PSVR pre-orderer…it’s all good…
    …the good news is we’ll all be playing 4K games for am entire year before the competition…and at this price point, it’s easily the best gaming proposition on the market…
    …let’s focus on those amazing exclusives (remember it’s about games not TV TV TV)…

    • But you can’t steam a 4K movie if you live in the sticks with a 3mb bandwidth. But you can do multiplayer games online.

    • @sparky692005 – I get that – I mean there are literally about 20 UHDs available currently (I know I have 3 of them – and a separate player) – and to be honest I think gaming is going to benefit more from this resolution / HDR explosion…

      …Sure UHD films look GREAT (Life of Pi in particular) – but it’s not that much of a jump from blu-ray – and in my opinion I’m not 100% sure it’s worth it… where it WILL be worth it is in all those wonderfully detailed games (Dark Souls I’m looking at you) – and atmospheric games – and interactive media… it’s a games console – and it’s REALLY competitively priced AND with added optional VR – it’s a winner…

      (and you know what – Scorpio is ‘next gen’ console levels – MS had bring it early due to terrible sales / specs of the XB1… PS4 Pro is still ‘this gen’ – I’ve no doubt in a few years the PS5 will pop up leapfrogging MS and so this whole debate will continue…)

      And let’s be honest – we don’t want Sony ‘too’ dominant in the gaming industry – a bit of competition is always healthy and good for us consumers!

    • I would agree with you, that there isn’t many UHD films available at present, but every new film that will be released will be coming out on UHD. Now I know there is gonna many poor UHD movies like ghostbusters being re-released, which is something I won’t be buying. But even streaming films isn’t done in Dolby atmos and pic quality isn’t there on streaming, which is also where the Xbox 1 s falls short aswell with no atmos output.
      But it was the same when blu Rays first come out, only a few to start with. Now there is a plethora of titles.
      But the other thing I haven’t seen, with this singing and dancing ps pro, what is the Dolby output!

    • Sorry to break the good mood here.

      a) For me it definitely is a deal breaker, I am seriously thinking about leaving Sony land entirely and moving over to XBOX once the Scorpio is out. (My PS4 lasted 3 years now it broke down due to iodicallly applied thermal glue which caused constant overheating). So I am on a wait and see loop, but I probably will settle for a used PS4 until the Scorpio is out.

      b) Given the specs of the PS4 i rather doubt this will be a real 4k gaming machine. What we likely will get is either upscaled 2d graphics or simply 1080 textures with polygons in 4k. Smaller games might get real 4k support very likely however). Even the proposed Scorpio specs are on the lower end of what 4k demands. If you want 4k now you are probably better off with a PC solution.

      Sonly really dropped the ball with the lack of UHD drive here. If it had an UHD drive I would have instantly bought it and not have posted this comment here. They pulled after years again a typical Sony like they have done so often in the past.

    • Sorry to be sarcastic but:
      NO one of your electrical devices broke? :O
      I’ve got 3 broken xbox 360’s and broken xbox standing here. Nintendo does the best when it comes to hardware quality, Sony is a fair second and sorry to tell you but Microsoft is by far the worst if you look at the statistics.
      You can’t expect a gaming rig from 2000 euro for the 400 euro price of a PS4 pro, but have you seen what it can do during the presentation? Take a grab of the quality for presentation purpose and its still better then you can get from a 1600 euro pc, for 400 euro. That’s good value!
      And last time to tell it in here, for those who UHD drive is the reason not to buy this GAME console, you choose the wrong platform. Sony is about gaming, a UHD drive does simply not contribute enough to it to make it more expensive in Sony’s opinion. And they got a good point if you ask me :)

  • The backwards and forwards compatibility is a great feature. Current PS4 owners can still play all the new games, and people who want better graphics & performance in games can also have that on PS4 Pro. All without splitting the PS4 userbase into two separate parts.

  • If either of those don’t sound like a jet engine taking off you can have my money right away.

    • Me too, I’ll be patiently waiting for community feedback before deciding on replacing my hoover or not.

    • I still can’t believe SONY didn’t address this sound issue yet. There’s a whole bunch of comments about this being a serious problem for many people and it’s really not about the console being dusty or located in tight space. My console is perfectly clean inside and also placed in open space and still sounds like crazy jet taking off while playing most of the AAA games.

      People really PRAY for either PS4Slim or PS4Pro being properly ventilated and equipped with better cooling solution so they can play without being [DELETED] about the console’s sound. SONY, any information about that? Because for now it looks like the problem is completely ignored by the company.

  • PS4 Pro, Great console but 1 Tb hard drive is just not big enough, especially with the size of game files (GTA 4 60Gb +, Destiny 40 Gb + with new rise of iron). The first thing I did with my Ps3 was a 500 Gb upgrade and PS4 was a 2 Tb upgrade. No storage issues for me, just a big dent in my wallet. I have over 1.2 Tb of data so far. Please Sony stop messing about and give us bigger hard drives

  • What a disappointment…

  • If Sony has to chose between a 40 million price conscious customers without the uhd player or 4 million customer with uhd player willing to pay a higher price, which do you think is viable commercially for it?

  • If people read the spec and what the new XBOX will do, they are missing the point with the PS4 Pro.

    UHD drive are not required in the age we live in, most 4K usage and 4k content is streamed, why buy a UHD DVD when it can be streamed instead.

    PS4 Pro is designed for gaming more than movie watching, this version for players with a 4K TV will take gaming on PS4 to another level, I for one have ordered via amazon already.

    Reading the Spec on the new Xbox, yes it will play UHD DVD “if people even bother buy them at a cost. I brought movies on DVD and then brought some of my best on Blu-ray, why would I buy them a 3rd time on UHD for which Xbox are hoping” New Xbox will not upscale all game to 4K – read New Xbox specs.

    There is a choice for both, 4K Games “PS4 Pro & Stream 4K Movies” or 4K Movies with UHD Drive “Xbox” and lower gaming standards and more than likely higher price for New Xbox know MSoft.

    If Sony thought there was a market out there for 4K movies, they would have added a UHD drive, they like I, seem to think streaming is a more practical than buying a hard copy UHD Movie, Sony make movies remember and they don`t see a future in UHD DVD, UHD DVD will go the same way as music, more music is brought via downloads or streamed that a copy for a supermarket…….

    • Mate your making too much sense for some people on here, sony are even giving you hdr update on a normal ps4, thats a game changer for some.

  • No UHD blu-ray playback no sale I’m afraid. Very disappointing. No reason to invest in a 4K TV for the foreseeable either now. Sony have failed to see the big picture. PS3 drove blu-ray sales and PS4 Pro would surely have done the same for UHD blu-ray.

    It’s unfortunate that the general public are willing to content themselves with compressed streams of media content (for the sake of convenience), rather than demand the highest quality that only physical media can provide at this stage.

    First it was audio CDs which was bad enough, but this will have a detrimental effect on a new BD format before it’s even had a chance to take off. Considering Sony had a hand in the creation of both formats it seems ridiculous.

    • I agree, I would of gone out and bought it on the release day if it had 4h uhd blu ray. I’ll stick with my release model PS4 unless it dies.

      Shame on you sony, would of gone nicely with my onkyo dolby atmos & 4k samsung setup up.

    • I’m disappointment they didn’t remove BD drive altogether…) Why on earth we need it in 2016?

    • No physical media may technically have worked in UK now. But for southern and eastern Europe that would be a very hard sell, and will be for any foreseeable future.

      In the end the technical issue is not what is stopping download only. Too many consumers just don’t want that future.

      Of course consumer behavior may also change, but I’m guessing that will put it even farther of than any technical bumps would have.

      Film is a bit different today. There probably, most pirate it or settle for a select limited service. Quality is not that interesting to most. That BD has become a thing for the enthusiasts only has been clear for long, even back when DVD was the real alternative.

      Still the choice to skip 4KBD is a bit strange, but maybe Sony figure this small group would go for a dedicated player rather than the probably (relatively) loud PS4 Pro anyways.

      But here is to hoping it will be a pleasantly surprising day one patch or something. ;)

    • The BD drive is still needed in the PS4. Internet connections for a lot of people just aren’t good enough yet to not to have a disc drive for games. It took several hours for a 23GB game to install with my internet connection. A lot of people in the UK with slower connections would be waiting even longer.

      Physical games are also still less expensive than digital games. A new game that is £34.85 on some websites could be as much as £49.99 on PlayStation Store.

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